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More piddling around with female predators
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nightshade43 Featured By Owner Aug 15, 2012
I kind of assumed/theorised that female Predators would be like female hyenas; larger, more aggressive and harder to tell for us that it is a female.
If I chose a shape I would choose B for a younger or more 'scout' class, and D for a high-ranking or fully mature one. Mainly because I love the idea of Predator culture. If hunting is so important to them a smaller, thinner female might not be as attractive to them. Sort of like Ancient Sparda men liking a full-figured woman.
Another reason would be that it would make a nice contrast to the Xenomorph, which I often consider a more feminime design.

The anatomy of this picture is very nice to look at, and while it took me a while to see the side-view sketch as female it clicked in after a while. I liked that I had to see subtle hints (even if it was or wasn't your aim)

I think I made a fan Xenomorph design once. A small builder type I called Reggie because I couldn't come up with anything less bland than 'that builder type alien'. A lot of people go for the super powerful types when making a fan design, which I never understood. Xenomorphs are already the kind to be quite strong. At least compared to people. Or they end up with giant crests and frills that house no advantage in combat.
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Res-Gestae Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2012  Professional Filmographer
Female hyenas are a great parallel to draw :nod:

I agree. It's a whole culture based around being the biggest, baddest guy around. Daintiness would be laughable at best, offensive at worst.

It's hard to do a good xeno character since they really aren't supposed to function as individuals. You'd really have to create a whole hive to do it right.
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nightshade43 Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2012
I think the main issue people have is based on our mammal-based thinking. Most mammals have males as the big ones (with some exceptions), while many insects, arachnids, fish and even some kinds of birds and reptiles the females are often larger. I read an article once even stating the Tyrannosaurus Rex females being in charge.

With Xenomorphs I go by the impression of interpretation. To us they will appear the same and Hive-minded. But like ants they'd probably have their own thoughts (to a degree). They may not be exactly bright, but they'd have to have a small degree of individuality in order to survive on their own or hunt in a small group. Though one can easily argue it's programming.
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Res-Gestae Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2012  Professional Filmographer
My interpretation of things might be skewed since I hang out with like-minded people and only keep up with blogs by people who I like but it seems like there has been a push lately to think more about what you're presenting. No one wants to make entertainment completely scientifically sound but it'd be nice if there was more of a push to keep the distractingly human traits to a minimum. There's anthropomorphizing a character and then there's creating contradictions, y'know? It'd be nice to see less of the latter.

Ants are a good example. Those guys are crazy. But I still think that a single xenomorph isn't that much fun as a character. If you put a xeno by itself, it's just going to lay down and hibernate or it'll die of loneliness. The xeno really gets its "character" from how other characters influence it. Does that make sense? So *o-rlyization and I can make Roxy funny because she has Tony to crack jokes next to her but, if she was up against Ripley instead, she'd be clever, mean animal. I guess a better way of putting it is that xenos are a reflection of who they are up against, both physically and ... not emotionally but you get my point.
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o-rlyization Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2012  Student General Artist
I think either B, C, or D would work sinc the hips are noticeably wider than A's. I also love that side shot up there--the fact that we're seeing some ass to lend to the body, I think, makes it look a touch more feminine.

BEH BEH PRED NEEDS TO GET A JAWB
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Res-Gestae Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2012  Professional Filmographer
You could have saved us both a lot of time by just saying "not A," you wordy bitch. Lol jk jk.

Ass shots = feminine? :rofl:

BUT MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMM
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o-rlyization Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2012  Student General Artist
I LIEK MAH WURDS

Predator ass shots oh god why

But seriously, that profile shot of the side actually does look somewhat feminine. WHO KNEW.
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SaraaLuna Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Yay, more fem-pred sketches! Personally, I think B or C would be more like the typical female predator-- A seems too thin hip-wise and in general for me-- with C being most of the norm, B as one just born built more for scouting/etc. There's a lot of predators, after all, and some aren't going to be as strong as others.

For some reason or another, I can imagine D as being the older, more matronly and experienced form of B or C. After they've popped out more than a few broods and have spent a decade or so bouncing around the planet or galaxy. Maybe it's the "plumper" figure that comes with the wider hips...? (Also, I'm now more than a little intimidated by the size graph. 300+ pounds of motherly muscle over eight feet tall coming after you? I miss the male preds already. ;_;)
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Res-Gestae Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2012  Professional Filmographer
A is pretty thin compared to the others. I prefer C myself. But, yeah, there'd definitely be a range.

In my head canon, there's a wider range of female body types than male ones, since being too big or too small would significantly decrease your odds of surviving a xenomorph fight. Since the ladies don't need to prove anything, they could "get away with" more.

I like your idea that D is an elder female. If you made her grey and covered her with little spikey "hairs," she'd be scary enough to ward off just about anything. Grandmama Pred don't take none of your crap :lol:

I can't even imagine how much a female Predator would weigh. Even if they were just scaled up versions of the guys, volume increases faster than area. They'd need stronger bones to support all that extra volume too. So even a foot of extra height would put a crapton of extra weight on them. You'd need a bulldozer to roll any of them over.

Not to mention pregnancy weight! If I remember right, it's healthy for a human to gain about 25 lb. There's no way to know how big a predator baby would be but considering 25 lb wouldn't even show on someone who weighed on 500+ lb, they'd probably gain quite a bit more than that.
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SaraaLuna Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
C does seem more like the figure that'd go with the majority. Muscled, but still feminine... at least by predator standards.

I could definitely see that. They'd all be horrifying, but a physically varying kind of horrifying.

The first thing I thought of when you mentioned "Grandmama Pred" was a AVP version of Little Red Riding Hood with an Xenomorph wolf and baby pred Little Red. Except Little Red would probably make it to her Grandma's house-- er, spaceship-- to find Grandma adding a new alien skull to her collection or stirring up some acidic soup. :c How is it that I'm becoming successively more terrified by female predators the more we talk about them? An old male predator wouldn't be nearly as scary as a grandma one.

That's some crazy density right there. And that's without considering the whole pregnancy weight subject you brought up. No wonder the male predators are cautious about ticking off the females.
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Res-Gestae Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2012  Professional Filmographer
The whole idea of "feminine" in Predator terms is interesting to me. What would a feminine male look like?

Exactly! I might do a couple of characters just for giggles to play with this body type thing.

That would be a great story. Someone needs to do that :laughing:

I completely believe that the guys get more laid back with time. After all, there comes a point where the very fact you are alive is proof enough that you're a badass.

Once, I read a fanfic where the Mary Sue beat a female predator in jehdin jehdin. Said Mary Sue was (naturally) thin to the point of anorexia. As far as I'm concerned, you can launch whatever and whoever you want out of a cannon but anything under 200lb is just going to bounce right off.
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SaraaLuna Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
That's a really difficult question to even think about. Maybe males and females have different qualities/natural lengths to their dreads, and a male who had those similar to a female would be considered feminine? Or females have slightly different patterns/shades of them on their skin than males, and one with a female pattern would fall under feminine...? Drawing a blank here.

I have a feeling that story is going to come back and haunt me later. Somehow.

True. They've got the whole "living legend" aspect going on after so long, while I imagine the females are still trying to protect their own babies-- if they can bare any more-- or looking after their pred grandchildren in general. Protective viciousness never leaves.

Lord have mercy, that image is making me laugh right now thinking about it and all the laws of physics it's breaking. If she was a human female, that makes it even better.
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Res-Gestae Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2012  Professional Filmographer
It's hard, isn't it?

Oh, of course it was a human Sue. Or a human-ISH Sue. She was an experiment. Because anyone involved in an experiment is immune to physics.

All the human hating is another thing that drives me up a wall with the fanfiction. Both Alien and Predator respectively involved the people on the ground getting manipulated by their higher ups, so I understand that humans being manipulative bastards is part of the universe. But I see so many fics that insist that humans are all bad because humans are all bad. There's no reason why, no discussion of where this badness comes from, no solution offered, no tone of gritty realism to justify the bleak outlook. We're just bad because the writer says we are bad.

I could understand it if the main character is meant to be a whiny hipster-misanthrope who thinks they are a special snowflake. Then, the point of the fic could be to have them learn to trust other people or accept that their ability to survive against xenomorphs and yautja comes from the same deviously clever part of their human nature that they had been trying to deny before. That way there's be some character growth. Instead we get a bunch of human characters accomplishing incredible feats of intergalactic heroism, only to later justify it by saying they aren't really human.

It's the same unfortunate implication issue as dainty she-preds. If humans are so weak and worthless that beating a Predator is impossible, what is wrong with your yautja character? What kind of pitiful Predator goes after prey that has no chance of beating it? That's at best sissy behavior. At worst, Bad Blood behavior!

You're getting me in a ranting mood tonight! :lmao:
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SaraaLuna Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh yeah. Different species, especially intelligent "animals", are always hard to figure out. Aliens like the Predator are worse. As an aspiring fantasy writer, I'm having to figure out the niche of one particular created species bit by bit, and it's getting ridiculous.

Because experiments are incredibly unique in the AVP fandom, of course. I'm half expecting the whole purpose of the millions of experiments apparently occurring in the AVP universe for no good reason-- at least, that's what happening according to fanfiction writers-- is to discover the best way to punch the laws of physics in the face.

It seems that human hating is something that universally occurs in every single fandom concerning otherworldly species or different ones that share the earth with humans. The "misguided" main character always ends up being "one of them" at one point in the story, and then they discover how much more "intune with nature!!1" the other species is, or how much more noble, and then the human bashing gets ratcheted to a brand new level. Of course, everyone knows who wins at the end or steps forth to make peace because they're supposedly the better species. :|

Apologies for the various "air quotes" everywhere, but I have a special hatred for this trope. As someone who particularly loves animal literature, I almost always want to grimace or start swearing the very instant a human appears in the story and the pretentious bashing starts... especially when it's the author speaking, and not their animal character. I've been *almost* permanently turned off books with environmental hints in them thanks to this recurring theme. Which is a pity, because they are a few good books out there that handle the theme well, but I'm not willing to wade through more tortuous garbage to get them.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand. Predators in fanfiction. Right. Sorry for the random tangent back there. But it is a little alarming and disappointing how little human traits are celebrated in AVP stories or alien species stories in general. Love, cunning, ability to reason-- the Predators prefer hunting humans above many other prey for more than one a reason, but it seems like the fanfiction writers don't see this. I don't see human compassion tripping up any experiments or human-raised yautja, but greed or pettiness, now...

It's pretty much spitting on the species and series someone loves enough to write about, intentional or not.

Well, it looks like I have. :lol:
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Res-Gestae Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2012  Professional Filmographer
Absolutely. I feel the same way. I've always wanted to write/illustrate scifi stories but you have to think about eeeevverrryyythiiiiing if you don't want to end up with enormous, story wrecking issues.

I wish someone would do a story about an experiment getting loose and fighting xenomorphs/yautja but whatever experiment they were in is utterly useless in a fight. Like they were testing the effect of LSD on cryosleep or on chestbursters. I don't know why I immediately assume LSD is involved with human testing. Walter Bishop from Fringe might be to blame.

Dude. I hate that so much. Partially because you shoot yourself in the foot when your "noble" aliens need help from your "misguided" human to solve their problems, partially because saying one species is objectively right isn't any less judgmental than saying the other species is objectively right. You're still saying an entire civilization is composed entirely of morons and dismissing their reasoning for behaving they way they do as unimportant or idiotic. The only differences that your made-up species isn't going to read your story.

I'm the same about environmental pieces. When you bury your good, hopeful message under a bunch of pissing and moaning, it doesn't make me want to listen to you. It makes me want to go be a wasteful asshole because, y'know, that's what humans do apparently.

I don't think I've ever seen an AVP story where human attachments and bonds are used as an advantage. That would require acknowledging that we aren't all selfish douche bags who lock ourselves in our money rooms to roll around in the gold coins we got from selling mass produced kitten fur lined nuclear weapons to terrorists.

It's surprising the unfortunate implications people miss, isn't it?
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Usa-Wolfdog Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
I feel as though the she-pred would be the one to protect the "kids" as they get older, so she'd want to be a bit more muscular. I'd have to go with C or D, more so C personally.
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Res-Gestae Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2012  Professional Filmographer
The first she-pred I did was somewhere between A and C silhouette wise. I got a lot of comments about her needing wider hips but I do think C is more "realistic." D would probably need some tweaks to the skeleton or something to make it possible.
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wachey Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
I choose B.
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Res-Gestae Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2012  Professional Filmographer
Any particular reason why?
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wachey Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
The wider hips make it easier to identify as female to me, and B still has the wide shoulders to go with them hips.
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